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		<title>By: kentuckyliz</title>
		<link>http://cashmoneylife.com/fully-fund-roth-ira-max-2008/#comment-6336</link>
		<dc:creator>kentuckyliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Volality is not the same as risk.  If you are investing for the long term, then short-term volality really shouldn&#039;t worry you one iota.  The question is, what do you think will happen to the market by the time you intend to use this money?

I&#039;m 42 and I&#039;m eligible to retire at 52 but don&#039;t want to really...so if I retire at 62 or 67, that&#039;s 20 to 25 years from now!  And, I&#039;m only going to use some of the money in 20-25 years; if I live to age 97, some of my time horizon is as high as 55 years!

So what is going to happen to the markets over the next 20 to 55 years?

General market performance:  in 97% of the roling 5 year periods, the market is up.  In 100% of the rolling 10 year periods, the market is up.  So I guess when I&#039;m within five years of my planned retirement age, I&#039;ll move the first year&#039;s distribution into something safer.  LOL

It is a rollercoaster going uphill.  You feel the ups and downs in the short run, but over the long run you&#039;re going uphill.

Time eliminates volatility as a risk.  So never save short-term monies (within 5 years) in equities--too risky.  But any financial goals longer than 5 years out, it&#039;s too risky to NOT be in equities--because of the other risk that will eat your lunch--INFLATION.

As a young investor, the first up and down markets are really wonderful and scary.  But once you&#039;ve been through it once, you can be a placid cow of an investor and never act out of fear or greed, never follow the crowd, never time the market, but just keep sticking with it and stay in it to win it.

The 90s market runup was damned exhilirating...wow, that was fun to feel I was getting rich moment by moment.  The worst bear market since the great depression happened right after that.  I didn&#039;t even look at my statements.  Effective investor behavior is to BUY BUY BUY in the down markets!  Don&#039;t stop contributing, keep at it.  Never pull your money out of your investments in a down market out of panic--you&#039;re locking in your losses.  You haven&#039;t really lost money if you leave it alone, ready to get the gains again when the market recovers.  

You CANNOT PREDICT which handful of days per year result in the market gains for that year.  To pull your money out means you have to make another good decision about when to put it back in...if you wait until the news tells you the market has recovered, it&#039;s too late, you missed the moment.  You have to know before everyone else does.

Market timing doesn&#039;t work.  NONE of the market timing gurus/newsletters beat the market at all, much less other placid cow investors who just stay all in.  Crystal balls don&#039;t work.

Terrific book:  Nick Murray, Simple Wealth, Inevitable Wealth.  It will help you comprehend what you need to know to be an effective investor by controlling your own emotions and behavior and not sabotaging yourself.  How to become that happy, placid cow.  Short and sweet and non-technical plain English and a great pep talk for the tough times.

Good luck everyone!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Volality is not the same as risk.  If you are investing for the long term, then short-term volality really shouldn&#8217;t worry you one iota.  The question is, what do you think will happen to the market by the time you intend to use this money?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 42 and I&#8217;m eligible to retire at 52 but don&#8217;t want to really&#8230;so if I retire at 62 or 67, that&#8217;s 20 to 25 years from now!  And, I&#8217;m only going to use some of the money in 20-25 years; if I live to age 97, some of my time horizon is as high as 55 years!</p>
<p>So what is going to happen to the markets over the next 20 to 55 years?</p>
<p>General market performance:  in 97% of the roling 5 year periods, the market is up.  In 100% of the rolling 10 year periods, the market is up.  So I guess when I&#8217;m within five years of my planned retirement age, I&#8217;ll move the first year&#8217;s distribution into something safer.  LOL</p>
<p>It is a rollercoaster going uphill.  You feel the ups and downs in the short run, but over the long run you&#8217;re going uphill.</p>
<p>Time eliminates volatility as a risk.  So never save short-term monies (within 5 years) in equities&#8211;too risky.  But any financial goals longer than 5 years out, it&#8217;s too risky to NOT be in equities&#8211;because of the other risk that will eat your lunch&#8211;INFLATION.</p>
<p>As a young investor, the first up and down markets are really wonderful and scary.  But once you&#8217;ve been through it once, you can be a placid cow of an investor and never act out of fear or greed, never follow the crowd, never time the market, but just keep sticking with it and stay in it to win it.</p>
<p>The 90s market runup was damned exhilirating&#8230;wow, that was fun to feel I was getting rich moment by moment.  The worst bear market since the great depression happened right after that.  I didn&#8217;t even look at my statements.  Effective investor behavior is to BUY BUY BUY in the down markets!  Don&#8217;t stop contributing, keep at it.  Never pull your money out of your investments in a down market out of panic&#8211;you&#8217;re locking in your losses.  You haven&#8217;t really lost money if you leave it alone, ready to get the gains again when the market recovers.  </p>
<p>You CANNOT PREDICT which handful of days per year result in the market gains for that year.  To pull your money out means you have to make another good decision about when to put it back in&#8230;if you wait until the news tells you the market has recovered, it&#8217;s too late, you missed the moment.  You have to know before everyone else does.</p>
<p>Market timing doesn&#8217;t work.  NONE of the market timing gurus/newsletters beat the market at all, much less other placid cow investors who just stay all in.  Crystal balls don&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>Terrific book:  Nick Murray, Simple Wealth, Inevitable Wealth.  It will help you comprehend what you need to know to be an effective investor by controlling your own emotions and behavior and not sabotaging yourself.  How to become that happy, placid cow.  Short and sweet and non-technical plain English and a great pep talk for the tough times.</p>
<p>Good luck everyone!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://cashmoneylife.com/fully-fund-roth-ira-max-2008/#comment-6206</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buying when the market is down is often the best time to buy! Don&#039;t worry about it. IRAs are for your retirement, so you have a long time for your investment to grow. :)

The important thing is that you have your money in there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buying when the market is down is often the best time to buy! Don&#8217;t worry about it. IRAs are for your retirement, so you have a long time for your investment to grow. <img src='http://cashmoneylife.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The important thing is that you have your money in there!</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda @ Me vs Debt</title>
		<link>http://cashmoneylife.com/fully-fund-roth-ira-max-2008/#comment-6205</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda @ Me vs Debt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just opened my first Roth last month.  Its kind of scary when the market is down.  I know I shouldn&#039;t look, but I can&#039;t help it!  Have you experienced that yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just opened my first Roth last month.  Its kind of scary when the market is down.  I know I shouldn&#8217;t look, but I can&#8217;t help it!  Have you experienced that yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://cashmoneylife.com/fully-fund-roth-ira-max-2008/#comment-6101</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Debt Plan, Yes, we maxed out our 07 Roth IRAs... Thanks for double checking! I agree about the current markets. With them being down overall, now is a good time to jump in. I just need to figure out where I need to place my money! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Debt Plan, Yes, we maxed out our 07 Roth IRAs&#8230; Thanks for double checking! I agree about the current markets. With them being down overall, now is a good time to jump in. I just need to figure out where I need to place my money! <img src='http://cashmoneylife.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://cashmoneylife.com/fully-fund-roth-ira-max-2008/#comment-6100</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kentuckyliz, I&#039;m still learning about ETFs as well. I like what I have seen, so now it comes down to finding our target allocation and determining which index funds or ETFs match our goals. Since we have a lump sum to invest right now, ETFs would be perfect. Your plan is well thought out and should work. Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kentuckyliz, I&#8217;m still learning about ETFs as well. I like what I have seen, so now it comes down to finding our target allocation and determining which index funds or ETFs match our goals. Since we have a lump sum to invest right now, ETFs would be perfect. Your plan is well thought out and should work. Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://cashmoneylife.com/fully-fund-roth-ira-max-2008/#comment-6099</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WeSeed, Thanks for the comments. Using DCA to help you follow your investments is a great way to keep track. We only have the $5k saved because we planned this a year out. Luckily the interest rates were good until very recently! My wife and I have some lifecycle funds already, but I will need to do a full asset allocation analysis to determine what we have and what out goals are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WeSeed, Thanks for the comments. Using DCA to help you follow your investments is a great way to keep track. We only have the $5k saved because we planned this a year out. Luckily the interest rates were good until very recently! My wife and I have some lifecycle funds already, but I will need to do a full asset allocation analysis to determine what we have and what out goals are.</p>
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		<title>By: No Debt Plan</title>
		<link>http://cashmoneylife.com/fully-fund-roth-ira-max-2008/#comment-6095</link>
		<dc:creator>No Debt Plan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roth is definitely the way to go. And go ahead and dump it all in versus dollar cost averaging. The markets have taken a beating -- and could take a further one, no doubt -- but get the money in there and consider it done.

I don&#039;t remember seeing this, but I&#039;m guessing you have maxed out your 2007 Roth&#039;s first. Obviously you would want to do that before 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roth is definitely the way to go. And go ahead and dump it all in versus dollar cost averaging. The markets have taken a beating &#8212; and could take a further one, no doubt &#8212; but get the money in there and consider it done.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember seeing this, but I&#8217;m guessing you have maxed out your 2007 Roth&#8217;s first. Obviously you would want to do that before 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: kentuckyliz</title>
		<link>http://cashmoneylife.com/fully-fund-roth-ira-max-2008/#comment-6093</link>
		<dc:creator>kentuckyliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: lump sum vs. dollar cost averaging.  The research shows that the best time to invest is as soon as you have the money.  (You can&#039;t predict which handful of days per year result in the market gains.  So, be in it to win it!)

So the question is, do I have the lump sum on hand?  Yes?--then go all in.  No?  Then contribute on a regular basis through payroll deduction or automatic contributions.  Ta da!  Dollar cost averaging is the result.  A lot of us end up doing this because of retirement plan contributions at work--the payroll deduction solution.

I&#039;m really interested in ETF&#039;s and still learning.  (Ric Edelman has a lot to say on the subject.)  There is a transaction fee with each purchase of ETF shares, so I&#039;m thinking when I start down this road, of converting some existing accounts all in one swoop (lump sum end of things), and then with the ongoing monthly contributions, to allocate that to money market initially (with bimonthly automatic contributions) then pinging it over into the ETFs quarterly...(DCA end of things)...to contain the transaction costs.

Not quite ready to pounce personally, but tiptoeing up to it and preparing.

Good on ya for maxing the Roths.  I&#039;m delighted with my young decision to do this, with previous windfalls and opportunities...early money is like yeast, it makes the dough rise.  That is money that didn&#039;t slip through my fingers!  w00t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: lump sum vs. dollar cost averaging.  The research shows that the best time to invest is as soon as you have the money.  (You can&#8217;t predict which handful of days per year result in the market gains.  So, be in it to win it!)</p>
<p>So the question is, do I have the lump sum on hand?  Yes?&#8211;then go all in.  No?  Then contribute on a regular basis through payroll deduction or automatic contributions.  Ta da!  Dollar cost averaging is the result.  A lot of us end up doing this because of retirement plan contributions at work&#8211;the payroll deduction solution.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really interested in ETF&#8217;s and still learning.  (Ric Edelman has a lot to say on the subject.)  There is a transaction fee with each purchase of ETF shares, so I&#8217;m thinking when I start down this road, of converting some existing accounts all in one swoop (lump sum end of things), and then with the ongoing monthly contributions, to allocate that to money market initially (with bimonthly automatic contributions) then pinging it over into the ETFs quarterly&#8230;(DCA end of things)&#8230;to contain the transaction costs.</p>
<p>Not quite ready to pounce personally, but tiptoeing up to it and preparing.</p>
<p>Good on ya for maxing the Roths.  I&#8217;m delighted with my young decision to do this, with previous windfalls and opportunities&#8230;early money is like yeast, it makes the dough rise.  That is money that didn&#8217;t slip through my fingers!  w00t</p>
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