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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://cashmoneylife.com/2009/05/21/credit-card-act-of-2009-good-or-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-19551</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Demitra, I love the standardization and transparency it brings to the industry, but I can&#039;t help but think that costs will be passed on to the consumer in the form of higher overall interest rates. But I think things will settle down and stabilize when these new standards have been around for awhile. The competition will force the credit card companies to get creative once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Demitra, I love the standardization and transparency it brings to the industry, but I can&#8217;t help but think that costs will be passed on to the consumer in the form of higher overall interest rates. But I think things will settle down and stabilize when these new standards have been around for awhile. The competition will force the credit card companies to get creative once again.</p>
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		<title>By: Demitra Wilson</title>
		<link>http://cashmoneylife.com/2009/05/21/credit-card-act-of-2009-good-or-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-19546</link>
		<dc:creator>Demitra Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 02:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Patrick.  Good to see you&#039;re still posting great content.  Just came across this post. . .any shift in your point of view since then?  Do the benefits to the majority of consumers outweigh the potential negatives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Patrick.  Good to see you&#8217;re still posting great content.  Just came across this post. . .any shift in your point of view since then?  Do the benefits to the majority of consumers outweigh the potential negatives?</p>
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		<title>By: Nav</title>
		<link>http://cashmoneylife.com/2009/05/21/credit-card-act-of-2009-good-or-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-19414</link>
		<dc:creator>Nav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@pat - So opt-in. Credit cards are designed with limits in mind. If the industry doesn&#039;t conform to the general principal that limits are involved, then it needs reform. If the gas pump doesn&#039;t check to see if you have available credit, then it shouldn&#039;t authorize charge and allow you to pump gas. If merchants are using old equipment that doesn&#039;t authorize transactions immediately by phone or over the Internet, they need to upgrade to modern POS technology. This is not only to protect the consumer and merchant, but also prevent fraudulent activities.

Now, if you want to be allowed to go over the limit, simply opt-in. Card companies deem transactions over the limit as a convenience. If cardholders want the convenience, they&#039;ll opt-in. If they don&#039;t, then they&#039;ll suffer. However those that haven&#039;t heard of such a scheme, expect credit cards to have a hard limit, and their expectations should be met from the onset of receiving their credit card. Still, that&#039;s no excuse for merchants not to upgrade to modern technology to do real-time authorization and transactions. This is important to the security of the industry otherwise the merchant is at risk of protecting stored credit card information on their end, which can lead to identity theft of the cardholder or fraudulent activity against the merchant. However it&#039;s their risk &amp; responsibility, not the credit card company, and certainly not the consumer.

I might misunderstand your frustration, but I don&#039;t drive so I rarely interface with gas pumps. I just think gas stations should rethink their design if it&#039;s flawed or based around assumption that cardholders have the convenience of going over the limit.

But think of it this way: as a consumer shopping in a department store, you find an expensive suit (think $100s) representing a huge discount of 95%. You buy it. Are you responsible for mistake by the department store after the transaction?

The over-limit fee isn&#039;t going to protect merchants from dishonest or consumers that bring risk, nor do they expect consumers to be autonomous. That&#039;s why merchant&#039;s buy insurance :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@pat &#8211; So opt-in. Credit cards are designed with limits in mind. If the industry doesn&#8217;t conform to the general principal that limits are involved, then it needs reform. If the gas pump doesn&#8217;t check to see if you have available credit, then it shouldn&#8217;t authorize charge and allow you to pump gas. If merchants are using old equipment that doesn&#8217;t authorize transactions immediately by phone or over the Internet, they need to upgrade to modern POS technology. This is not only to protect the consumer and merchant, but also prevent fraudulent activities.</p>
<p>Now, if you want to be allowed to go over the limit, simply opt-in. Card companies deem transactions over the limit as a convenience. If cardholders want the convenience, they&#8217;ll opt-in. If they don&#8217;t, then they&#8217;ll suffer. However those that haven&#8217;t heard of such a scheme, expect credit cards to have a hard limit, and their expectations should be met from the onset of receiving their credit card. Still, that&#8217;s no excuse for merchants not to upgrade to modern technology to do real-time authorization and transactions. This is important to the security of the industry otherwise the merchant is at risk of protecting stored credit card information on their end, which can lead to identity theft of the cardholder or fraudulent activity against the merchant. However it&#8217;s their risk &amp; responsibility, not the credit card company, and certainly not the consumer.</p>
<p>I might misunderstand your frustration, but I don&#8217;t drive so I rarely interface with gas pumps. I just think gas stations should rethink their design if it&#8217;s flawed or based around assumption that cardholders have the convenience of going over the limit.</p>
<p>But think of it this way: as a consumer shopping in a department store, you find an expensive suit (think $100s) representing a huge discount of 95%. You buy it. Are you responsible for mistake by the department store after the transaction?</p>
<p>The over-limit fee isn&#8217;t going to protect merchants from dishonest or consumers that bring risk, nor do they expect consumers to be autonomous. That&#8217;s why merchant&#8217;s buy insurance <img src='http://cashmoneylife.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
		<link>http://cashmoneylife.com/2009/05/21/credit-card-act-of-2009-good-or-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-19413</link>
		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know over limit fees are not something any one wants. but now you have the option of opting out and not getting the fee due to the transaction will be denied.  but what is going to be denied if you are close to your credit limit. Are you not going to be able to put gas in your car at a prepaid pump so you can get all the way to work due to the credit card company&#039;s new responsibility to deny you from going over the limit. most gas pumps work on the simple principle of if you have something available you can fill you tank. well I f you have $20 available and you fill your truck with $60 how is the card company to deny you for something you already did? I don&#039;t think card company&#039;s should allow you to charge over the limit but you should be responsible in some fashion if you do something the card company is not able to prevent you from going over the limit. I myself have found myself in a bad mood and went on a shopping spree to cheer up. spending lots of money in a very short time in one day. oops, spent more then I had available due to a fast food place didn&#039;t charge my balance till midnight. am I correct in understanding that this is the consumers fault not the credit card company&#039;s. any over limit fee is a penalty for not controlling your finance.  banks can charge you for every returned check; the merchant can charge you. one returned check can easily coast you $50 if both charge you. why can you not be held responsible for budgeting you credit card balance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know over limit fees are not something any one wants. but now you have the option of opting out and not getting the fee due to the transaction will be denied.  but what is going to be denied if you are close to your credit limit. Are you not going to be able to put gas in your car at a prepaid pump so you can get all the way to work due to the credit card company&#8217;s new responsibility to deny you from going over the limit. most gas pumps work on the simple principle of if you have something available you can fill you tank. well I f you have $20 available and you fill your truck with $60 how is the card company to deny you for something you already did? I don&#8217;t think card company&#8217;s should allow you to charge over the limit but you should be responsible in some fashion if you do something the card company is not able to prevent you from going over the limit. I myself have found myself in a bad mood and went on a shopping spree to cheer up. spending lots of money in a very short time in one day. oops, spent more then I had available due to a fast food place didn&#8217;t charge my balance till midnight. am I correct in understanding that this is the consumers fault not the credit card company&#8217;s. any over limit fee is a penalty for not controlling your finance.  banks can charge you for every returned check; the merchant can charge you. one returned check can easily coast you $50 if both charge you. why can you not be held responsible for budgeting you credit card balance?</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://cashmoneylife.com/2009/05/21/credit-card-act-of-2009-good-or-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-18859</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite risking sounding repetitive, I agree 100% with Patrick and Kristen: financial basics should be taught in the classroom. This will greatly cut down on debt trouble later on in life. 

On another note, I do support the passing of the Credit CARD Act especially in the context of standardizing payments and notifications. The credit card industry has gotten to the point where it needs to be seriously rebuilt from the ground up. In the meantime -- luckily for us! -- there is a growing number of sites out (off the top of my head, BillShrink.com is a great example) there that aim to guide people through the intricacies of credit card plans; IMO, it&#039;s better to have computers wade through the tedious fine print and zillions of options rather than me. The combination of these free online resources and an overall increase in personal financial responsibility might just be the tipping point for improving the economic sense of America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite risking sounding repetitive, I agree 100% with Patrick and Kristen: financial basics should be taught in the classroom. This will greatly cut down on debt trouble later on in life. </p>
<p>On another note, I do support the passing of the Credit CARD Act especially in the context of standardizing payments and notifications. The credit card industry has gotten to the point where it needs to be seriously rebuilt from the ground up. In the meantime &#8212; luckily for us! &#8212; there is a growing number of sites out (off the top of my head, BillShrink.com is a great example) there that aim to guide people through the intricacies of credit card plans; IMO, it&#8217;s better to have computers wade through the tedious fine print and zillions of options rather than me. The combination of these free online resources and an overall increase in personal financial responsibility might just be the tipping point for improving the economic sense of America.</p>
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		<title>By: Nav</title>
		<link>http://cashmoneylife.com/2009/05/21/credit-card-act-of-2009-good-or-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-18840</link>
		<dc:creator>Nav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I came across this blog skimming google results to figure out how credit card companies will turn a profit in lieu of the Credit Card Act of 2009. The sudden interest came about after being hit with an overlimit fee. I&#039;ve been a responsible card holder over 3 years. I never actually wanted a credit card until realizing the difficulty of renting an apartment, receiving low premiums on insurance, etc. in California. Frankly it&#039;s quite upsetting because I earn a considerable amount of income and have never been in debt.

Last week I had a lapse in financial responsibility and went over the credit limit. I only noticed days later when card transactions were successively declined. Then bam, hit with a $40 charge. Now I&#039;ve never had official training using credit cards and knowing the ins and outs. All the good practices I learnt from my father, so this overlimit fee was news to me. I thought a credit limit was just that, a limit that you couldn&#039;t go over. I managed to get the fee reversed after days on the phone with the card company. What upset me was their stubbornness to remove the fee, but their outrageous lies. Every agent and their manager said I couldn&#039;t opt for hard limits. It took second hand advice from a close friend and a threat to cancel my card to actually change my account to reflect hard limits.

This experience has lead me to believe that the Government doesn&#039;t want to condone irresponsible behaviour but protect consumers from the vile practices of credit card companies. It&#039;s not the over-limit charge that I want protection from, but from the card companies not advertising the fact that you can opt-out. In my opinion, it&#039;s the card companies that are being irresponsible.

Just my 2c.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I came across this blog skimming google results to figure out how credit card companies will turn a profit in lieu of the Credit Card Act of 2009. The sudden interest came about after being hit with an overlimit fee. I&#8217;ve been a responsible card holder over 3 years. I never actually wanted a credit card until realizing the difficulty of renting an apartment, receiving low premiums on insurance, etc. in California. Frankly it&#8217;s quite upsetting because I earn a considerable amount of income and have never been in debt.</p>
<p>Last week I had a lapse in financial responsibility and went over the credit limit. I only noticed days later when card transactions were successively declined. Then bam, hit with a $40 charge. Now I&#8217;ve never had official training using credit cards and knowing the ins and outs. All the good practices I learnt from my father, so this overlimit fee was news to me. I thought a credit limit was just that, a limit that you couldn&#8217;t go over. I managed to get the fee reversed after days on the phone with the card company. What upset me was their stubbornness to remove the fee, but their outrageous lies. Every agent and their manager said I couldn&#8217;t opt for hard limits. It took second hand advice from a close friend and a threat to cancel my card to actually change my account to reflect hard limits.</p>
<p>This experience has lead me to believe that the Government doesn&#8217;t want to condone irresponsible behaviour but protect consumers from the vile practices of credit card companies. It&#8217;s not the over-limit charge that I want protection from, but from the card companies not advertising the fact that you can opt-out. In my opinion, it&#8217;s the card companies that are being irresponsible.</p>
<p>Just my 2c.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://cashmoneylife.com/2009/05/21/credit-card-act-of-2009-good-or-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-18565</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does this CARD act apply to my Sears card or my Best Buy card (retail)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does this CARD act apply to my Sears card or my Best Buy card (retail)?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://cashmoneylife.com/2009/05/21/credit-card-act-of-2009-good-or-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-18275</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 03:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Kirk: &lt;/strong&gt;I am a fairly strong believer in the government staying out of the markets. Watching the housing market bubble and bank bailouts has been difficult for me. There are many people getting insanely wealthy and companies being rewarded for unethical and sometimes illegal behavior. 

Will this end people abusing credit cards? Of course not. People will always abuse them. But standardizing rules takes away a big excuse and makes things clearer for everyone involved - including the credit card companies.

Will this decrease credit limits? Probably. but is that really a bad thing? I understand the need to spend money to maintain economic growth, but the reason the real estate bubble happened was too much easy credit. And many people who are not financially savvy treat their credit cards as easy credit. People with a $30,000/year income do not need a $30,000 line of credit on their credit cards. 

No recourse for bad loans? Then credit card companies shouldn&#039;t be so quick to approve everyone that applies for a credit card and extend their line of credit after the borrower makes 2 or 3 payments on time. If the credit card companies were really interested in having the loans paid back on time and in full, they would be more strict about approving cards. For credit card companies it is strictly a numbers game. They know their demographics and how many cards they need to approve and at what rates and credit limits to achieve profitability. The ideal credit card customer does not pay their bill on time, but maintains a perpetual balance.

I highly recommend reading this excellent NY Times article: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/17/magazine/17credit-t.html?_r=2&amp;pagewanted=1&amp;ref=business&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What Does Your Credit-Card Company Know About You&lt;/a&gt;? 

I will reiterate my earlier sentiments: Ultimate responsibility lies on the card holder, and I don&#039;t think credit cards or credit card companies are evil. But I do think there needs to have more standards within the industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Kirk: </strong>I am a fairly strong believer in the government staying out of the markets. Watching the housing market bubble and bank bailouts has been difficult for me. There are many people getting insanely wealthy and companies being rewarded for unethical and sometimes illegal behavior. </p>
<p>Will this end people abusing credit cards? Of course not. People will always abuse them. But standardizing rules takes away a big excuse and makes things clearer for everyone involved &#8211; including the credit card companies.</p>
<p>Will this decrease credit limits? Probably. but is that really a bad thing? I understand the need to spend money to maintain economic growth, but the reason the real estate bubble happened was too much easy credit. And many people who are not financially savvy treat their credit cards as easy credit. People with a $30,000/year income do not need a $30,000 line of credit on their credit cards. </p>
<p>No recourse for bad loans? Then credit card companies shouldn&#8217;t be so quick to approve everyone that applies for a credit card and extend their line of credit after the borrower makes 2 or 3 payments on time. If the credit card companies were really interested in having the loans paid back on time and in full, they would be more strict about approving cards. For credit card companies it is strictly a numbers game. They know their demographics and how many cards they need to approve and at what rates and credit limits to achieve profitability. The ideal credit card customer does not pay their bill on time, but maintains a perpetual balance.</p>
<p>I highly recommend reading this excellent NY Times article: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/17/magazine/17credit-t.html?_r=2&amp;pagewanted=1&amp;ref=business" rel="nofollow">What Does Your Credit-Card Company Know About You</a>? </p>
<p>I will reiterate my earlier sentiments: Ultimate responsibility lies on the card holder, and I don&#8217;t think credit cards or credit card companies are evil. But I do think there needs to have more standards within the industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://cashmoneylife.com/2009/05/21/credit-card-act-of-2009-good-or-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-18273</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 03:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Dan: &lt;/strong&gt;That might work for someone who pays on time every month, but it won&#039;t work for everyone. I think its ridiculous that they can get away with sending out bills so close to the deadline... they get a ton of late fees that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Dan: </strong>That might work for someone who pays on time every month, but it won&#8217;t work for everyone. I think its ridiculous that they can get away with sending out bills so close to the deadline&#8230; they get a ton of late fees that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristy @ Master Your Card</title>
		<link>http://cashmoneylife.com/2009/05/21/credit-card-act-of-2009-good-or-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-18272</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristy @ Master Your Card</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 02:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see both sides of the coin, and while I&#039;m a big advocate of personal responsibility, I believe some aspects of this Act are needed. The confusing terms, ambiguous terminology, fees causing more fees, double cycle billing...all these things culminate into a festering wound that has become our credit crisis. Yes, there are those people who abused their credit and are in the position they&#039;re in because of their actions. But, there are also perfectly good account holders who got screwed by credit card companies malevolent practices. So, while I understand this is going to cause credit card companies to respond in less than favorable ways, I think having clearly defined regulations for an industry that has long since taken advantage of consumers is long overdue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see both sides of the coin, and while I&#8217;m a big advocate of personal responsibility, I believe some aspects of this Act are needed. The confusing terms, ambiguous terminology, fees causing more fees, double cycle billing&#8230;all these things culminate into a festering wound that has become our credit crisis. Yes, there are those people who abused their credit and are in the position they&#8217;re in because of their actions. But, there are also perfectly good account holders who got screwed by credit card companies malevolent practices. So, while I understand this is going to cause credit card companies to respond in less than favorable ways, I think having clearly defined regulations for an industry that has long since taken advantage of consumers is long overdue.</p>
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